Talk:Coat of arms of Ukraine

ВОЛЯ

Ukrainian speakers also point out that the trident can be broken into four letters of the Ukrainian alphabet: В, О, Л, and Я, spelling "ВОЛЯ," which translates as "liberty" or "freedom." I can only see the "ВОЛЯ" with a huge leap of imagination. Is this a commonly held view?

Excuse me, I am very bad speak English. "tryzub is composed of the Ukrainian letters for word Freedom (ВОЛЯ)" - This is really just a patriotic tale for children. None of the historians do not considers. --Тарас Чекан (talk) 23:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It is easy. However Taras Chekan has his own opinion in that regard. The sinister wing represents Cyrillic Я, dexter wing represents Cyrillic В, between them in lower portion the round shape represents Cyrillic O which extends up into a middle tail and represents Cyrillic Л. Hence, ВОЛЯ - Liberty/Will (not freedom). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I made this picture on the right to make it easier to see. В in red, О in yellow, Л in green, and Я in blue.JoeyB2198 (talk) 08:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Дякую. You made too much blue for Я. The base should have black. 97.42.128.54 (talk) 16:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Heraldry - Left and right

I'm not really an expert on heraldry, so please be gentle :)

But aren't the left and right supposed to be the other way around, from the point of view of the person behind the shield? So that the cossack is on the left (sinister) and the lion is on the right (dexter)?

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That is one of the reasons why the Great State Arms of Ukraine are not adopted as of today. Also wheat extends downwards, for compartment is used a national colours and the crown is at crest position. And there are more faults to the proposed State Arms. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Renewed attempts

Take a look: http://zakon1.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=283-2007-%F0. — Alex^(U|C|E) 15:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It made the news. — Alex Khristov 19:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Origin and usage

It seems to me that the claim of the crest being of Turkish (Turic) origin is not valid since the symbol is not extant from Khazar data, and they were the major influence on Kievan state c.late 10th - early 11th century CE.

There is also no evidence of stylistic representation of birds in early Rus imagery, so clearly the suggestion that the symbol is derived from this is a very slim one.

The claim that this is representative of a trident is also slim since the weapon was not in use in Eastern Europe even in the Ancient times, and the borrowing from Greek mythology is also unsourced, and lacks logical ground since the Kievan state was not a maritime one. In Greece the trident was discontinued in use with the Christian era c.4th century CE, so why would it be revived in Kiev in the late 10th century as attempts at Kievan conversion were being made?!.

A far more furtive ground would be found in early Russian scripts and namely the ШТА or the ПСИ. The former (ШТА) is particularly likely to have been the origin of the symbol given the imagery that survived to the 16th century of which emphasizes the likeness in the droplet-like lower extension on the coat of arms evident even on this image Image:Yarthewise.png, which Psi lacks. I can think of only one contemporary symbol that may have been used as a prototype for the "trident" symbol, but would not want to spark controversy :o)--mrg3105mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 02:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what are you talking about, but the origin of this is clearly either a FALCON or a SWAN or something I'm gonna tell you right now. I have proofs for all, but you have no proof for none of the theories in the article. It' ok, you know what you want to believe in. Falcon was the name of the first ruler of Novgorod and Kiev (Rurik originally was a Turk (Bulgar), from Dulo-dinasty (Attila's descendants - I know you never gonna accept it, but I just tell you), his name in Turkic was Lachyn (meaning: falcon). For the swan: swan was worshipped exactly around this land of modern Ukraine in the bronze age, it was usually described as the "high flying Khan Tengri", the god of turks, who was depicted usually as a goose or a swan. But looking at this coat of arms, it is so obvious that it is actually a TAMGA (tribal sign). Especially this one is the tamga of the Dulo-dynasty. The tamga of Dulos did not represent a trident, nor an eagle, it is a standing axe and a bow crossing it. You Ukrainians will never find the truth of your past, if you insist on slavic origin, or nordic origin. Your first rulers were actually Turks, namely Dulo princes from Etil Bulgaria, whose nordic vassals were Askold and Dir, but the Rurikids ascended from Hun-Bolgars (just like ALL the rulers at that time at the steppe - there are no wonders and so there wasn't any at that time as well, always the simplest is the truest.) 178.48.177.1 (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Italian Army use

The Italian Army heraldry allows units to add symbols to their Coat of Arms for every Medal of Military Valor awarded to the unit. These symbols correspond to the countries/territories were the Medal of Valor was acquired. During World War II the 8th Army was sent to fight on the Eastern Front. This Army was almost entirely destroyed during Operation Little Saturn. The units that made it back to Axis lines and were raised again after the War, were allowed to add the Ukrainian Tryzub to their Coat of Arms if they had won a Medal of Military Valor during the Italian campaign in the Soviet Union. The units that have the Tryzub in their Coat of Arms are:

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  53rd Infantry Rgt.
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  80th Infantry Rgt.
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  82nd Infantry Rgt.
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  89th Infantry Rgt.
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  3rd Bersaglieri Rgt.
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  6th Bersaglieri Rgt.
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  18th Bersaglieri Rgt.
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  1st Alpini Rgt.
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  2nd Alpini Rgt.
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  4th Alpini Rgt.
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  5th Alpini Rgt.
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  6th Alpini Rgt.
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  8th Alpini Rgt.
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  9th Alpini Rgt.
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  14th Alpini Rgt.
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  15th Alpini Rgt.
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  18th Alpini Rgt.
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  Tirano Alpini Btn.
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  Vicenza Alpini Btn.
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  3rd Cavalry Rgt.
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  5th Cavalry Rgt.
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  Voloire Horse Artillery Rgt.
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  2nd Artillery Rgt.
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  3rd Mountain Artillery Rgt.
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  4th Artillery Rgt.
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  8th Artillery Rgt.
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  11th Artillery Rgt.
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  17th Artillery Rgt.
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  52nd Artillery Rgt.
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  121st Artillery Rgt.
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  Udine Mountain Artillery Grp.
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  2nd Engineer Rgt.
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  4th Engineer Rgt.
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  Railroad Engineer Rgt.
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  Army Veterinary Corps

noclador (talk) 04:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

just check Lithuanian gerb (coat of arms)

this is not a trident, but symbol of a royal palace like in Lithuanian Posts of Gediminasor Columns of Gediminas

Dubious statement

In the second sentence the article now states that the Tryzub represents the triune God on earth and in heaven. No citation has been provided although requested, and although there are some common alternative theories for its original source, certainly this religious variant is not one of them as the symbol is known to be of pre-Christian origin. In the 20th century the symbol has been first and foremost representing the Ukrainian struggle for freedom, children are even taught in school that it consists of the Cyrillic letters ВОЛЯ (meaning freedom). As it is, there's reason to believe that the current sentence is only the invention of the person that added it, be it in good or bad faith. -89.68.4.198 (talk) 13:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

See also

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  Emblem of Djibouti

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The Tryzub in Popular Culture

Youtuber Michael Craughwell (michaelcthulu) built a trident using the tryzub as the head, then offered the proceeds to charity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5x118CaxF0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjbhutchens (talk • contribs) 08:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Greater coat of arms

Is there a greater coat of arms on the wall in the beginning of the video here? https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10016954 Kaihsu (talk) 06:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

An unofficial one is indeed displayed in the Presidential office: File:Зустріч Зеленського з керівництвом ВРУ, 3.jpg --Fenn-O-maniC (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Alternative usage with dagger/dirk or sword?

Hello! I am no native english speaker, but I think I must add this here, coming from german talk page, original quote was: "What is known about the alternative design with the middle part as dagger/dirk or sword?" I added to say that this is an important question. Reason: President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visided Rome in Mai 2023 and I found several pictures showing him with a pullover with this alternative sign. Some people say it's got something to do with a nationalist group dating back to WWII (at least). Let's say that is a roumor, but what is true? Any hints are welcome! Here is the page I found the pictures: "Präsident Selenskyj in Rom - Italien sichert Hilfe zu" (= ... Italy promises help) -- 89.1.50.239 (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Khazarian tamga

The Ukrainian coat of arms stems from a Khazarian tamga. The article should note this as the most likely theory. Meellk (talk) 23:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)